Red Caboose GP9 Frame: Aluminum vs Brass

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Red Caboose GP9 Frame in Aluminum vs Brass

Aluminum vs Brass, I have seen some debate over the years touting brass as a superior frame material, but I have to disagree!

My chosen material for machining GP9 frames is 6061-T6 Aluminum alloy and for good reason. Some argue that the brass frame being sold by others is a better solution because it adds additional weight, but that is a short-sighted argument. In reality, flat brass frames raise the profile of the locomotive significantly, to me, that alone negates any benefit of additional weight gain. 

Relief Pockets and Bolsters

Unlike the flat brass frame counterpart, the FineScale aluminum frame features machined relief pockets on the underside of the frame to facilitate proper placement of the bolster (truck mount). The placement of the bolsters is critical when assembling the frame to get the proper ride height and coupler placement.

The bolsters included with the original GP9 kit, seen in the image below, were designed to mount on the top side of the plastic frame.

The relief pockets I have machined into the aluminum frame allow space for the locomotive trucks to rotate without rubbing the frame. As a result, the trucks sit lower on the frame and give the locomotive a more prototypical stance.

Red caboose gp9 aluminum frame
GP9 Frame

In addition to the relief pockets for the trucks, I have added relief pockets along the sides of the frame. These side frame reliefs let the frame tuck under the locomotive shell and create the side profile of the steel beam that can be seen in the section drawing of a prototype GP9 underframe.

GP9 cross section

If you need the extra weight, stick-on lead weight can be added to my frame in any configuration needed to fit the many types of DCC decoder installations, battery onboard installations, and sound installations.

Once you add in the absorbent cost of quality brass, along with the details listed above, I see a clear winner in the aluminum vs brass debate.

Comments

6 responses to “Red Caboose GP9 Frame: Aluminum vs Brass”

  1. Vince Avatar
    Vince

    The coupler height still comes out correct with this aluminum frame?

    Does it fit the Atlas O GP9? I always wanted a retrofit to get rid of the twin motors.

    I wish you would do the same thing for the P&D hobby F units!

    1. Kelly Avatar

      I have tried to get an F unit to measure but so far I have not been able to get my hands on one. Coupler height should be the same as the stock plastic frame and no one has ever mentioned there was any issue with that so you should be good to go. This frame fits the Red caboose GP9. I have never tested the Atlas shell onto a Red Caboose frame.

  2. Michael Leahy Avatar

    Kelly:
    I think an aluminum frame designed like the Red Caboose GP frame for
    Weaver Alco FA/FB locos would sell many. Lots of these sold, and the plastic
    floor is a weak point. Thank YOU / M.Leahy / EBMES

    1. Kelly Avatar

      I am looking into that so it is a possibility.

  3. DON BOEHS Avatar
    DON BOEHS

    Hello, I am new to O scale and would like to build 3 WM GP9’s using the red caboose kits ( I have 3 of them and your aluminum frames I bought several years ago.) Since the P&D brass power trucks are virtually impossible to get, I have been wondering if the NWSL O scale stanton power trucks would work well and would they mount to your frame easily. Any thoughts? Any suggestions on any other power trucks? Thank you!

    Don

    1. Kelly Avatar

      Hello Don,
      I have never tried the powered trucks. I am going to be adding a motor mount today or tommorow for a pittman motor. The only part left would be drive shafts. I beleive any Weaver trucks of the right style will work.

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